On Fri, 12 Aug 2011, David Gerard wrote:
That's a rather different claim than that it is standard and accepted practice, which is what Ken was clearly implying.
I ran into it a number of times but didn't have a particular situation in mind. I was sure that sooner or later someone would find one (which indeed someone did) to cite, since it's fairly common.
A quick search for "illegal scan" on talk pages turns up this: ------------------------------------------- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Arch... " SaiyanIsland.com hosts illegal scans of various manga series. AFAIK such websites can never be used as general sources, no matter how reliable they are otherwise. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 02:29, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
That's correct, per WP:ELNEVER 1. --Andrensath (talk | contribs) 02:48, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
WP:ELNEVER doesn't apply to inline citations or general references, only external links, so that guideline can't be used. In such a case, cite WP:VERIFY in that sources containing copyrighted material fail the criteria of a reliable source :) ADD NOTE: More specifically WP:SOURCES." ------------------------------------------- and this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Angel_Munoz "Reference 6: This is an illegally scanned article from an unknown magazine, hosted on Mr. Munoz's website (the poster apparently finds himself quite clever in using the IP of the server instead of the DNS name). If this was linked to an official web site in a non-infringing manner, it would most likely be a legitimate press source. ------------------------------------------- and this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Lydia_McLa... "game-port.com" - do not 'reference' a scan of a DVD (or whatever it is) - it's probably an illegal copy of a copyrighted work anyway. You could reference the published DVD itself. The image is not an appropriate way of verifying the fact. ------------------------------------------- Your reply, incidentally, illustrates another problem with RS: the rules encourage using a request for sources as a way of filibustering.