On 7/14/07, David Goodman dgoodmanny@gmail.com wrote:
There is almost always a way of removing real junk immediately. 99% of the time it fits speedy-- and gets deleted. (I do my share, and have very little tolerance for self-advertising and pranks, and this is also true of KP and all similarly inclined people I know). Challenges to speedy that are clearly not in good faith get rejected, and the articles removed none the less (I do my share of that, also, and I know what to do with schoolboy gaming the system when I see it.) .The few times it gets to AfD it doesn't usually wait the 5 days. Don't confuse honest disagreement about the contents of wikipedia on particular topics --or even a somewhat different view of it in general -- with the lack of a desire to keep it clean, and keep the contents worthy.
On 7/14/07, K P kpbotany@gmail.com wrote:
On 7/14/07, Guy Chapman aka JzG guy.chapman@spamcop.net wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:55:51 +0100, "David Gerard" dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Brilliant!
And one of the outcomes should be: expedited cleanup. If not performed, it can be stubbed or deleted after a week.
Guy (JzG)
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JzG
Yeah, nice. I agree with the expedited cleanup. Sometimes there is dreadful crap that really needs to get off Wikipedia ASAP. Just because someone contests a PROD doesn't mean pure crap should be granted a 1 week reprieve, like that moron who decided to write a piece of crap article about beach chic to honor his bride (God help her), then contested the prod so the piece of crap would stay up for the week of his wedding.
As much of an inclusionist as I am, compared to Guy certainly, there really is a lot of crap that gets a one week free ride, that I wouldn't mind seeing reduced to a 2 day free ride.
KP
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Next time I see obvious schoolboy gaming then I'll bring it to your attention, as the beach chic thing was spit-in-your-face level.
That's one issue about Wikipedia that I find leads to some of the biggest problems, imo, is that editors and admins won't stop and pause and think, "does this incidence need to be looked at independently?" Okay, the article gets a prod, and the creator objects, so it has to go to AfD. But, in this instance, editors should have looked at again at the article, the creator, the prod, and the protestation--at least for the dignity of the future bride in this case.
It's part of what leads to name-calling (troll, whatever you want) and instant dismisal.
An example of a case where I think some pause should be given was my request to have this remark deleted from the edit history of an article. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prostitution&diff=next&old...
I really haven't seen much at this level on Wikipedia, and it seemed to me that something this vicious about another human being (she's apparently a dancer who has had a few spiffs on the Internet with other people) has no place on an encyclopedia. Apparently I'm wrong, and this is pretty typical Wikipedia stuff.
I wish editors and administrators would pause a moment before issuing the old stand-by declaration that everything in the known universe is the same, which leads to things like successful schoolboy gaming of AfD, and successful abuse of Wikipedia for personal real-life battles. Is there really a place on Wikipedia for graffiti about your enemies?
KP