Unencyclopedic crap is cut all the time. If it doesn't meet our goals its dropped, nothing against the contributer, but it doesn't fit. We make subjective judgements all the time, and establish standards to help us decide in the future. Our standards on notability are largely subjective, as are our standards on what are reliable sources. These trivia sections don't meet our content criteria and we've been stripping them for months. Thats a functional consensus there. And it appears far from being the consensus against it that you'd need at this stage of the purge.
On 9/9/07, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
Todd Allen wrote:
Bryan Derksen wrote:
Brock Weller wrote:
Were not deleting the article, were deleting the unencyclopedic crap sections. Your point is a strawman.
And since we're talking logical fallacies, you're begging the question. Calling the sections "unencyclopedic crap" presupposes that they're useless, whereas David and I have been arguing that a lot of what's in those sections is not crap but rather is just poorly formatted and integrated.
Generally, when I remove a trivia section, I do find the occasional piece that's actually relevant, is sourced, and can be integrated. Quite often, however, the stuff isn't even verified, is someone's personal opinion, or is unimportant or very marginally related.
These are nevertheless three separate bases for evaluating material. Some may not be verified, but is verifiable. Importance is completely subjective. Marginally related may be your strongest point, but even there a contrary argument can often be made. Establishing one does not establish the others.
Some of the stuff's alright, but most of it that I've found so far was indeed unencyclopedic crap. We don't have to keep every drip of data someone ever touches an article with. Even if it's true, even if it's verifiable, sometimes it just isn't too significant or doesn't fit. It is OK, and even good, to -cut-, it is not "destructive", it is not "deletionism", and it isn't mean. It's part of editing anything you want someday to be a decent work.
If you want your work to be considered decent, then you need to respect the work of others with a different view as also being decent. Dismissing the good faith work of others as "crap" doesn't measure up to that.
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