--- Jimmy Wales jwales@bomis.com wrote:
cprompt wrote:
I've advised Lir in the past to stop making new
accounts, apologize and
ask the list for permission to return, and for
guidance when he does
something that makes people want to block him. He
says that he's already
done that, and he doesn't think that the list
would respond well to
that. So, what do you people think? If Lir came
around and said all of
that, how would you feel?
I'm in a unique position to make unpopular decisions and have them stick, and I can say that if Lir were to mature and agree to act co-operatively, I'd buck some serious heat if necessary to give another chance. I've done it before and been disappointed, but my nature is to be very willing to allow people ways to grow, and to "save face" and become something other than a pariah.
I'm constantly concerned, as is well known, that threats of banning are tossed around too lightly, and that we should try (to a *point*, at least) to reform people with love rather than berate them into submission. A reformed Lir would be a great propaganda coup for me, illustrating that positive change is possible and desirable and so on.
However, the constant attacks -- and I consider making new accounts and editing while banned to be a form of 'fuck you' to my face -- make it difficult to believe that there's been any change at all.
--Jimbo
I used to think that Lir would change. I also used to believe in Santa Claus (acutally I never did, but you get my point). Lir will never change.
In all of the other wikis (except for the ones modeled after us), there is no "supreme-dictator-for-life" (as you put it, perhaps humorsly, in a previous post). Most other wikis despise that we have one person running the whole thing. I don't think we should keep doing your unpopular decisions just because you own the servers. When you created Wikipedia, you also gave up control of it. We are a community, not governed by one person, but by everyone. On many of the About, FAQ, and similar pages, you state that Wikipedia is an anarchy, but that really is not true. As long as you unilaterally make decisions like this, wikipedia will never be a true anarchy, always a dictatorship. --LittleDan
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