The problem is that while "long-standing" and "apparently reputable author" correlate with "trust", they are not the same.
The perception that a measure of text source and historicity is in any way a measure of trust, is a misconception we have to kill at root, burn, salt over, mercilessly counter, and also impale all those who defile it. And generally destroy it with prejudice.
Because we dare not allow that gadget to be misinterpreted that way (even if in knowing hands it can indeed indicate trust or doubt). It's very tempting, so people will, and they'll read it is in the media... so we have to bludgeon home it ISN'T.
(There would have been a "graphic imagery spoiler", but we deleted spoilers ages ago)
FT2
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Emily Monroebluecaliocean@me.com wrote:
... and then, when the claim proves to be false, become angry and go after the Foundation? Not necessarily legally, though.... I fear that if they make an assumption "this text is highlighted as high trust, so it can be trusted", and are told that this is the meaning on a help page, we could be liable.
Yet another one of my fears.
Emily On Sep 1, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Nathan Russell wrote:
I think there's a real risk here, to be even more blunt.
Calling it a trust system risks someone looking at a piece of text and saying "oh, look, this is trusted, so i can -rely on this as advice before doing something dangerous/in making a medical decision/etc" -use this as my sole source in writing my college paper" -take for granted the claim this text makes that a living person cheated on his spouse (or worse possibilities" -assume this means WP as a group/the foundation itself makes the claim that *I* cheated on someone" ... and then, when the claim proves to be false, become angry and go after the Foundation? Not necessarily legally, though.... I fear that if they make an assumption "this text is highlighted as high trust, so it can be trusted", and are told that this is the meaning on a help page, we could be liable.
Nathan
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 6:36 AM, FT2ft2.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
I think there's a terminology issue.
We cannot refer to this as a "trust" system, however "Wikitrust" brands it. We just can't. It misleads too many, and implies too much.
Call it a "text tracing system" or "a gadget to highlight text origins" instead. It's a lot less glamorous, sounds alot less dramatic, doesn't get the dollars - but it's got zero capability of misleading.
FT2
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:37 PM, James Alexander jamesofur@gmail.comwrote:
How would the blame maps work with people editing around vandalism? For example someone either blanks the page or does extensive vandalism to it (especially over the course of a couple days or a couple users). I would imagine it would be fairly easy if the bad contributions just got rolledback but would the old blamemaps still be reinstated if someone went in and manually copy/pasted the old version (or something very close) in or would the system count it as a new contribution?
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 3:12 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
2009/8/31 David Goodman dgoodmanny@gmail.com:
I am a little concerned that we are adopting a metric into our interface without adequate testing.
It appears we're not and Wired completely jumped the gun. There is no timeframe for release of this thing even as an optional extra.
- d.
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