Do you want to tell the foundation that WP:OFFICE and copyright is just process?
No. Do you want to tell me that everybody who uploads images needs to become copyright experts?
Depends what they are uploading. Wish to adress the office point.
Because I'm figuring we can get by pretty OK on people who are making a good faith effort to follow fair use
Yeah we tried that. It doesn't work.
Which is, shockingly, not that hard a concept.
The evidence suggests otherwise. Certianly judgeing by the number of legal cases there have been over the years.
Geni, it's clear that everybody in this conversation is not worried about pissing large numbers of people off, you least of all.
Tu Quoque logical fallacy
Nothing happens to consensus. Something may happen to mob rule, but that's different.
Quite a number of our policies were created by consensus.
No, it really doesn't. It tends to become a tangle of limit cases and exceptions for pathological cases. The only thing that makes the documentation stay vaguely accurate is the willingness of people to follow it without thinking.
Evidences?
Which isn't what I said I was going to do. IAR is not "cut the newbies some slack when they don't know the rules." That's BITE. IAR is "Look, try to understand the basic premises, then go ahead and act in a manner consistent with them, and odds are it'll work out fine." I'm counting on that actually being true. That's not "whatever seemed like a good idea at the time." That's "whatever seemed to an admin of two years like the thing most consistent with his ever-growing knowledge of how Wikipedia works."
I'd say it's a subtle difference, but honestly, it's not.
Nice dodge.