On 7/6/05, Timwi timwi@gmx.net wrote:
JAY JG wrote:
As soon as you argue that there is *any* reason to restrict these powers, all your arguments about Wikipedia "assume good faith" principles fly out the window. Now what you're really arguing is not that these restrictions violate Wikipedia principles, but that in your opinion the bar for admins is set too high; that's an entirely different argument.
I don't agree that it's an entirely different argument. I think people are acting in an un-wiki way precisely because the bar is set too high. Having a low bar to entry is precisely the wiki principle.
I just wanted to interject a thought here: if Wikipedia adminship is a virtuous circle, where admins continuously encourage each other to more and more polite behavior, more welcoming, and more civility, rather than excusing occasional hostility, anger, and newbie biting, I wouldn't care if the bar was just barely above the floor. As it is now, we have some improvements to make, only because, like it or not, admins are the "official face" of Wikipedia to the general editing public.
We already have the 'edit bar' on the floor, anyone can step right over. It works pretty well that way. The 'admin bar' can be right next to it as far as I'm concerned, if people really embrace the "good attitude" concept behind the project.