On 02/08/07, Kamryn Matika kamrynmatika@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/2/07, Armed Blowfish diodontida.armata@googlemail.com wrote:
To those who say I have trivialised rape / violence - I'll not quote, it's been more than one person by now - I am afraid you are mistaken. Let's see... I am a victim of long term sexual abuse... I have friends who have been raped... I have friends who have been stabbed with knives and thrown down staircases. And I am quite sure that, were those friends to read this, they would not be offended. Some of them would probably be proud of me.
I'm doing this to help victims and potential victims of abuse. I cannot honestly expect people to provide helpful responses to a sort of pain they do not understand - hence, I've been trying to explain it.
Also see this article by Deborah Orr entitled 'Deborah Orr: How can juries understand rape unless the full horror is explained to them?':
http://comment.independent.co.uk/columnists_m_z/deborah_orr/article2201075.e...
SlimVirgin may not, to our knowledge, be the victim of violent stalking... yet! But one thing leads to another - once they can find you, it is quite possible that they will, and then the violence can start. We can reduce the likelihood of that happening by providing social support, making her less vulnerable. But even if it doesn't happen, there is still such a thing as 'emotional abuse'.
Consider this USENET posting as quoted by Judith Donath of MIT Media Labs in the article 'Identity and Deception in the Virtual Community' which was published in 'Communities in Cyberspace', 'As far as letting you know my name or giving you my fingerprints or whatever else you demand, no I don't think so. There is more going on in this net than just misc.fitness.weights. I'm involved in the net war in alt.religion.scientology. Those cultists have so far raided 4 of their net critics on bogus copyright violation charges, and in one case they placed a large amount of LSD on the toothbrush of a person who was raided, a couple of days before he was to undergo a video deposition. In my city they have been convicted of several crimes, including infiltrating the municipal, provincial, and federal police forces. No, I will not give out my name just to satify your curiousity. Deal with it.'
Armed Blowfish
On 02/08/07, Stephen Park stephenpark15@gmail.com wrote:
Comparing rape or violence to having your real life identity on wikipedia outed is a loathsome analogy that trivializes rape and violence, manipulates emotions and tries to exploit what victims of rape and violence have gone through in order to make a point.
While you may be the beneficiary of this insensitive and boorish attempt to score a debating point I hope that you have enough perspective to rise above the fray and condemn ArmedBlowFish's writing for what it is.
SV, quite frankly, you were sloppy and made mistakes. You used a pseudonym that could be linked to you in real life. You edited articles that you were connected to in real life in an obvious way. You left a trail. Yes, it's too bad you were outed but it's not rape and it's not violence. People shouldn't be saying that it is and you shouldn't be encouraging them.
SP
On 8/2/07, Slim Virgin slimvirgin@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/2/07, Matthew Brown morven@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/1/07, Oskar Sigvardsson oskarsigvardsson@gmail.com wrote: You seem to be suggesting that I can't take issue with describing someone as a troll because that same person is making rape comparisons. Others had already called that out; I saw no need to
add
to it.
As I read Armedblowfish's post (from memory), he compared this situation to rape, violence, OR harassment, and his point was one about people being attacked for being attacked. It would make more sense to take that point, rather than focusing on a provocative word. (This isn't directed at Matthew, by the way, but at the other editors who complained, though I've lost track of who they were.)
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That's funny, because I know people who have been raped and they would be incredibly pissed off to see their ordeal compared to the "horror" of having your real name released on the internet.
Life is pain. Empathy will get you through it better than whose-pain-is-worse competition... and my friends know that.
Fuck off and quit trolling.
That would imply I know what I'm doing. I'm too insane to troll.
It's a bit obvious that you're doing this because SV rained on your RFA and you're looking for some kind of approval or validation.
I've never been concerned about disagreeing with SlimVirgin before, and I'm not concerned about it now.
What did you expect me to do, take revenge? (As if I haven't been through worse?) What would that accomplish? I've tried anger and hatred - I didn't hurt anyone with those more than I hurt myself.
SlimVirgin is a human being, and there are some things no human being should have to go through.
Armed Blowfish