Thanks for translating!
On 8/29/06, Kirill Lokshin kirill.lokshin@gmail.com wrote:
It's a bit too long to translate entirely (and some of it seems to be people settling personal scores -- oppose because so-and-so supports and that sort of thing), but here's a sampling of the opposes:
Some of these objections make a kind of wierd sense (Edwardбох's for instance), many of them seem to me to be just people not understanding the policy.
"Bureaucracy = evil" -- Иваныч
Per definition? Someone should say something to the bureocrats.....
"Don't see the point. These rules are too obvious (on the level of being fundamental principles of Wikipedia), and are thus simply extraneous" -- Edwardбох
"Without a strict understanding of 'authoritative source', the rule is useless and perhaps even harmful" -- Jannikol
"Our deletionist activists will start to remove the contents of the encyclopedia at a very rapid pace. The {{citation needed}} template is quite sufficient" -- Юра
What is {{citation needed}}, other than an implementation of this policy?
"Forbidding original research will be enough, in my opinion. Extra disputes and bureaucracy won't lead to anything good" -- Terminus
"And what am I supposed to do if my source is a paper book?" -- Ян Владимирович
Use the book as the source?
"The assertion that verifiability is more important than truth seems disputable. And furthermore, to create the ideal article, we need to study the actual thing, not stories about it in 'authoritative sources'" -- Fred
If something is true and encyclopedic, it should be verifiable. If there are no sources to a claim, then chances are it's not fit to be included in an encyclopedia.
"According to this rule, I cannot, for example, write about something which I saw with my own eyes..." -- Azh7
No you can't..........you never could, that would be original research.
(I haven't read the actual policy yet; I wonder how close it is in meaning to the English one.)
I think Jimbo needs to step in and talk to some bigwigs at ru.wikipedia.org and sort this out. Maybe even wave his magic wand if need be (after all, he more than anyone else has been arguing for this for a long time). We cannot have an encyclopedia without a verifiability policy, it's just not possible in the long run.
--Oskar