On 10/16/05, Tony Sidaway f.crdfa@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/16/05, Snowspinner Snowspinner@gmail.com wrote:
In which case your real argument is that we don't need VFU because AfD is flawless - an argument that is not so much a straw man as self- evidently absurd.
Quite.
We have long ago reached the point where AfD closers sometimes felt that they had to close an article as a deletion, even though, in Doc's words, "the AfD consensus was illogical." I mean, this was the actual opinion of the guy who pulled the plug.
So? I've blocked people under the 3RR than gone in and taken up thier case.
Doc has even greater reservations about my unilateral action, but fuck it, this isn't about me. It's about a screwed-up process that is not remedying blatantly bad decisions.
Doc says: "I think you could at least have waited to see if the VfU process would have come to the right result."
Well no. Because a number of VFU regulars continue to claim loudly, if falsely, and to the point where anyone who claims otherwise is treated as a heretic, that content must not be considered as a reason for undeletion.
When I quoted the actual undeletion policy (which says the opposite) this text was removed from the page on the grounds that practice dictated policy. In other words, those who couldn't be bothered to check the policy falsely claimed that their ignorant actions constituted de facto policy.
Umm that is pretty much how most of our policy turns up. All this formalised voteing stuff is pretty recent
There's something deeply wrong with this. If some people see the Wolters article as a vanity article, they're entitled to their opinion, but please, let's not permit such thinking to cause articles to be deleted.
Vanity is a legit reason for deletion. So in this case they were wrong how about explain that to those who voted delete? Until you added a link to [[Redeemer University College]] (which is also on cleanup) the article had no incomeing links so it's lose for 6 months or so is not something I'm too concerdened about. Perhaps it is however it is time to sort out [[Wikipedia talk:Criteria for inclusion of biographies/Academics]] (although I'm haveing a hard time figureing out how you can make it to the level of professor without publishing in an international recognised journal).
-- geni