Sarah wrote:
Anyone thinking about whether the indefinite block of Abu Hamza is justified ought to consider (apart from the various policy violations) his determination to add to the introduction of [[Harold Shipman]] that he was a *Jewish* British serial killer. It's not just that there are no reliable sources for this. It's the obsession with trying to add an entirely non-notable reference to a person's ethnicity in order to make that ethnicity look bad.
It's clear from what may people have said that that he should consent not to edit the Shipman article.
We regularly have anons turn up at [[Ron Karenga]], the founder of the African-American holiday [[Kwaanza]], who try to describe him in the first sentence as a "convicted felon," http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ron_Karenga&diff=45070575&... and they do it because he's black and they're racists. That makes them useless Wikipedians, not because they're racist, because no one cares if they keep it to themselves, but because they're not willing to be Wikipedians. I could give scores of examples of the persistent addition of racist, Islamophobic, anti-Semitic, misogynist slurs designed to make a person look bad, or to make Islam look terroristic or Judaism fascist.
I thought we were talking about ONE person here. These wild generalizations say more about you than about him.
That kind of editing is the polar opposite of what it is to be a Wikipedian. In Abu Hamza's case, it's compounded by the sockpuppetry and the deceit about it, the reverting, the bad use of sources, and so on.
Some of this is understandable for a newbie. I'm sure that several have now made this point. What he does with the information in the furture is more important.that what he did as an ignorant newbie.
But it's the lack of even the most basic grasp of what it is to be a Wikipedian that makes me support an indefinite block.
That's seems to be a personal and entirely subjective determination on your part.