On 6/6/06, Bryan Derksen bryan.derksen@shaw.ca wrote:
Steve Bennett wrote:
Do you have any examples? What would they look like? Perhaps:
{{thematic category|name of subject}}
I don't think we should make things unnecessarily complicated by making the templates take parameters, just use {{PAGENAME}}. If the category's name isn't suitable for use in the template describing it then I suspect it's an indication that the category's name might need changing. :)
Mmm...you may be right. In any case, the text on the category page should provide enough context to clarify. There may be cases where a category is forced to obey a particular naming scheme which isn't the most descriptive for what it is, but I can't think of any immediately.
How about "Members of this category should be specific examples of {{PAGENAME}}"
I'll try a couple of random examples: Members of this category should be specific examples of Districts of Berlin. Members of this category should be specific examples of Billboard Hot 100 number-one singles Members of this category should be specific examples of Russian and Soviet polar explorers [an example where the text would be better as "Russian *or* Soviet polar explorers"?] Members of this category should be specific examples of Cities in Kentucky Members of this category should be specific examples of Pakistan movement activists Members of this category should be specific examples of Lists of state leaders by year [this article also had the presumably "thematic" category 730s - a counterexample to the plurals rule] Members of this category should be specific examples of United Kingdom court systems Members of this category should be specific examples of Members and associates of the US National Academy of Sciences [another and -> or] Members of this category should be specific examples of Rivers of Indonesia ["Rivers in Indonesia" would be more natural] Members of this category should be specific examples of Pejorative names for people.
I guess in general it works, but some other ideas: Articles in this category should describe individual Articles in this category should be Only ___ should be in this category. Only articles about [specific | individual] ___ should be in this category.
Also note there is a capitalisation issue to deal with... There is also a problem with "1923 births" type cats - these don't fit comfortably into any of these sentences.
(incidentally, with this distinction between taxonomic and thematic, is it time to up the ante and say that every article should have at least one taxonomic category? by random article I come to "Chrysler Phaeton" which only has the thematic category "Chrysler" - whereas it really should have at least the taxonomic "Cars" or something)
and "Members of this category or its subcategories should be about the topic of {{PAGENAME}}"?
Members of this category or its subcategories should be about the topic of... Education in New York ...Huntingdon County, Pennsylvania ...Oslo T-bane ...Baseball ...Isle of Man
I don't think it works - [[The Buchan School]] is not "about the topic of The Isle of Man". What is the relationship exactly? "should have a strong connection with"?
I'm deliberately leaving the "or its subcategories" off of the is-a template, so that we can continue having things like [[Category:Seattle]] be a subcategory of [[Category:Cities in Washington]] (or whatever the real category names are) like we do now.
I think we just decided in the long thread that that's a bad idea as follows: Cities in Washington is a taxonomic category Seattle is a thematic category Thematic categories should never be subcategories of taxonomic categories (although the reverse is ok)
If your proposal is to allow for a graceful changeover, then I understand.
Steve