On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 05:15:16PM -0500, Phil Sandifer wrote:
On Nov 12, 2006, at 5:07 PM, Brian Salter-Duke wrote:
I think this is a really bad idea. PRODs get put on articles that are very new, so few people have probably seen them or got them on their watchlist other than the author. It will just make many authors, who have their work deleted with no opportunity to debate it, to go ballistic. I have yet to have any of my creations PRODed, but if it happened I would want to argue why I created it.
So use the {{hangon}} template on the PROD, and trust the admin who looks at it to make a judgment call. Or just ask nicely for it to be undeleted, and someone probably will. You only need to persuade one person in a five-day period to block a PROD.
OK, fair enough. If it happened to me I would ask the relevent Project, to which I would probably belong, to have a look at it.
I would also suggest that articles that are put to AfD should not be speedy deleted. Once thay are there give people a chance to see them and comment. Maybe only cut short the closure if there are 20 delete "votes" and no keep "votes". I often see a speedy closure of a AfD debate and are curious about what was in it.
The fulfillment of curiosity does not seem to me to outweigh the value of minimizing the number of AfD debates running at any given moment. Furthermore, it is often beneficial to establish a precedent of "kill it with a stick" instead of "debate it a whole lot."
Killing with a stick is top-down admin activity that prevents others from actually knowing what it was that was killed. I would prefer killing by consensus after the community has at least had an opportunity to see it. How much good stuff is going down the gurgler because of speedy deletion by admins who know nothing about what the article was about and that it needed help and TLC not killing?
Brian.
-Phil
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