Fair enough, up to a point. Facebook is a private company and they publish terms of service. I complied with those terms, but someone mistakenly thought otherwise. When Wikipedia makes a mistake there's a means of appeal (sometimes faulty, but we do remain open to the idea that our decisions are open to revision). Not with Facebook. And not, by commonsense understanding, with IWF either. Both organizations operate from a presumption that all of their decisions are correct, and minimize the means for appeal.
Think about it. Do you really suppose that none of the other 10,000 censorship decisions IWF made in the last year were less than perfect? Proper feedback loops don't exist. And they should.
-Durova
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Durova nadezhda.durova@gmail.com wrote: [snip]
Yet Facebook provided no means of appeal, and my own efforts to contact
them
and seek reconsideration fell on deaf ears.
The problem is bigger than IWF.
http://durova.blogspot.com/2008/12/who-watches-watchers.html
Facebook is a private company. They can do what they want. The same ability that allows them to censor your gallery allows Wikipedia to give Archimedes Plutonium the boot. If you don't like it you can leave or fork.
Oh wait. You can't fork. The data you and your friends have submitted into Facebook is stuck there. You don't have a realistic choice, just like most UK residents don't have a realistic choice to choose an uncensored ISP.
I don't have a solution for the UK's censorship other than to point out that perhaps sites like ours ought to find ways to be more friendly to user-controlled truly voluntary filtering if we want to avoid outright censorship.
But for facebook, there is a path out of that: http://opendefinition.org/ossd?action=show&redirect=osd
I don't have a high opinion of facebook, so I can't suggest an open alternative… there may not be one yet. I know there is identi.ca vs twitter.
Of course, an open service doesn't change the fact that you are already invested in facebook, nor does it resolve all the problems, but it's a necessary start. The [[network effect]] of sites like facebook means that breaking from them is hard, but when you use it you're adding to the problem, compelling others to join in giving up control to the faceless-website-company. But… Change has to start somewhere, someone needs to raise concerns and advocate it. To me it looks like facebook as nominated you. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l