On 4/23/06, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
jayjg wrote:
On 4/23/06, Conrad Dunkerson conrad.dunkerson@worldnet.att.net wrote:
- Steve Bennett wrote:
Funnily enough, my definition works here as well. Someone whose judgment is being questioned will accuse their reverter of wheel warring. Someone who made a mistake won't.
In other words: If the person you reverted accuses you of wheel warring, then you wheel warred.
I almost agree, but in some cases that person might still be operating under mistaken assumptions. Say they found some evidence which suggested that a particular user was a sockpuppet of a blocked user and placed a block on the 'sockpuppet' as a result. However, the second admin then uncovered proof that the person wasn't a sockpuppet and unblocked. The first admin might well accuse the second of 'wheel warring' and reblock, but only because of a failure of communication. The second admin wasn't 'opposing the judgement' of the first, they were just working off a different set of facts. The second admin shouldn't have to discuss the matter before taking an action they know to be correct... though it would be a good idea to send the first admin a note to fill them in on the details.
No, what the second admin should do is discuss the case with the first admin, rather than unblocking. Maybe the first admin has evidence that the second admin is unaware of. If the second admin has conclusive evidence, then the first admin will undoubtedly unblock. If not, then there is a dispute, and the second admin should not wheel war. In any event, admins should not act under the bad faith supposition that *they know better*; that is what starts the wheel war.
Maybe the second admin has evidence that the first admin is unaware of. Maybe the first admin was just acting in the heat of RC battle. It folows that it is perfectly valid to act under a good faith supposition.
It would not be appropriate to say that all these reversions are done in bad faith That would in itself be assuming bad faith.
One can posit all sorts of "maybes", but the fact remains that reverting the first admin assumes the first admin is incorrect. Instead of assuming, contact them first, and find out for sure. It's quite simple, and it astonishes me that anyone would defend summarily reverting an admin action over communicating with them first and building a consensus. This is not an emergency, and almost never is.
Jay.