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Puppy stated for the record:
Sean Barrett wrote:
#1 there can never be any doubt that hateful bigotry is running rampant, crippling the functioning of our society
#2 anyone who wonders whether the alleged oppression is really as bad as is claimed is a hateful bigot who must be immediately reeducated if not exiled from the community
Please remember that we started talking about -- and I'm still talking about -- Wikipedia, the place where we write articles, not this mailing list or IRC. As I think you pointed out, there are different players as well as different sets of rules for each, making them distinct communities.
Sean Barrett | I was forced to live for days sean@epoptic.com | on nothing but food and water.
regarding #1: I assumed the precise opposite until this thread. regarding #2: Bit dramatic, aren't you? Try rephrasing with less sturm und drang. Regarding both: Who are you saying made those assumptions?
-kc-
I find it difficult to hold a conversation with someone who thinks I am mocking them when I am not. It tends to make "the climate ... hostile to speaking up," as someone just said. To be clear: I am not mocking you. I am trying to write from a moderate position, neither bigoted nor overly concerned about Wikipedia being crippled by bigotry. However, I'm being rather clearly told that a moderate position is unacceptable.
#1: This thread is indeed very bad. This mailing list can be, but is not always, very bad. IRC is so bad I don't bother logging on, which is bad for an Arbiter because quite a lot of significant activity occurs there. I do not think that Wikipedia-the-place-where-we-write-articles is bad. If you have evidence to the contrary, point me at it, and I will block the bad guys and bring the ArbComm case against them myself. We are commissioned to protect the article-writing community, and I think we've done a not-bad job for the past three years. Any bigotry in Wikipedia-the-place-where-we-write-articles is only there because the ArbComm has not been made aware of it.
#2: Okay, perhaps over-dramatic, but this just in: "telling Alphax to put his head in a bucket 100 times, and take it out 99, is treating him too kind." Banning has been mentioned several times up-thread, which seems a bit much to me. Rhetoric-escalation runs rampant, and of that particular crime I am as guilty as anyone.
QUESTION: So can we make my comment #2 unquestionably over-dramatic? Is there any way to bring the emotional intensity of this thread down? I would like more information on the problems people have when trying to contribute to Wikipedia-the-place-where-we-write-articles. I signed up to support that community, lo these many moons ago. I'm still on duty, at least for another few weeks.
- -- Sean Barrett | I was forced to live for days sean@epoptic.com | on nothing but food and water.