I am baffled as to why a clitoris would be considered comparable in any way to torture. I guess I am baffled as to why 'sex and violence' so frequently appear in the same sentence. Mark
--- Anthere anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
I hope everyone will agree that the pictures on the following articles are potentially offensive for some readers
- penis on penis article
- clitoris on clitoris article
- Torture and humiliation pictures on the prison
article
Among the three cited above, penis pictures, torture and humiliation are said informative enough, so that we display the pictures directly. However, a clitoris is not something informative enough, so, it should be hidden.
I would like that we stop applying double standards on the encyclopedia.
If a picture is informative, we keep it. If not, we trash it.
If a picture is extremely offensive, we trash it. If a picture is generally considered offensive, we apply similar standard to all pictures generally considered offensive. If a picture is not offensive, we show it.
All offensive pictures should be treated the same way and displayed the same way. Either we decide we do not care about hurting some sensibilities, we display them, and we do this for ALL offensive pictures. Or we decide we could care a bit, and we put a link to it, instead of full display in the page.
The argument that the clitoris image is not informative enough, as an argument for it to be hidden is a NON-ARGUMENT. Either it is informative and we apply it the same standard than to all offensive pictures. Or it is not informative, and we trash it.
Now, if a clitoris picture is something not interesting, I also would like that same standards are applied to all human genitals. If we remove the clitoris, we remove the penises as well.
Fred Bauder a �crit:
Pictures of the clitoris are not displayed to
avoid pandering to purient
interests which apparently (I have not followed
this debate) outweighs the
information value.
While there may be a few readers who might enjoy
pictures of torture and
putting many of them on Wikipedia would be wrong
there is such a strong
history of people lying about torture that we
would not want to part of
suppression of evidence. Thus there is a very high
information value. (We
finally caught a few of these sonsabitches). There
is a point of view
problem as 99.9% of torture is not photographed
thus displaying pictures of
American torture only (as pictures of Saudi
Arabian or Israeli or Turkish or
Tibetan or [put in your own despotic regime]
torture are not available)
gives a somewhat false impression. It takes a
pretty dumb criminal to take
pictures (or let others take pictures) of
themselves while they are
committing a crime.
Fred
From: Anthere anthere9@yahoo.com Reply-To: anthere9@yahoo.com, English Wikipedia
wikien-l-g2DCOkC13y2GglJvpFV4uA@public.gmane.org
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 02:51:44 +0200 To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: troubled.
We censor pictures of clitoris on the english
wikipedia.
We censor clitoris pictures, while billion of
humans on Earth have a
clitoris, and that is something perfectly normal
to have.
We censor clitoris for the motive that people
could be shocked.
However, we do not censor pictures of torture and
humiliation. Forgive
me, but I am troubled.
No, I do not think everything should be shown,
especially soon after
they happen. Just as some criminal trials of WWII
horors were recorded,
but the records preserved for several years before
being shown publicly.
This in memory of the deads. Even though we know
what happened.
So, explain to me why we show shocking images of
human humiliation,
while we cant display clitoris, because chaste
eyes would be shocked ?
Fred Bauder a �crit:
They belong. If they allowed picture taking at
the Colorado State
Penitentiary or in a prison in France they would
belong too. Their
importance is that most torture in prisons
happens without pictures being
taken. These pictures have to stand in place of
the hundreds or even
thousands of similar situations that don't get
recorded. Or is that too
creative?
Fred
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