On 12/8/05, MacGyverMagic/Mgm macgyvermagic@gmail.com wrote:
I've already seen Articles for creation being useful and weeding out suggestions for which people provided no basic info to include. Those would've ended up as eternal stubs if the anon in question was free to create it.
Mgm
You mean if there was no "Articles for creation" the anon would have created an account and then created the stub?
What exactly is an "eternal stub", anyway? I thought by definition a stub was able to be expanded.
Anthony
On 12/8/05, Anthony DiPierro wikilegal@inbox.org wrote:
On 12/8/05, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/8/05, wikipedia2006@dpbsmith.com wikipedia2006@dpbsmith.com wrote:
From: geni geniice@gmail.com
I bet it is a permanent policy change because (a) it seems to be working quite well and (b) it is consistent with our commitment to remain open.
--Jimbo
[[Wikipedia:Articles for creation]] is already 62 kb long.
-- geni
The "Requested Articles" pages are longer.
Actually I don't know even how long they are, because they are currently a medium-sized page consisting of nothing but links to a hundred or so medium-sized pages consisting of nothing but article names.
So, what's your point?
[[Wikipedia:Articles for creation]] is heading towards being unmanageable. It's useing up rescources that could better be spent elsewhere.
-- geni
What articles are sitting there? Are they ones we really need? If not, maybe the problem is that we have an "articles for creation" in the first place.
As for the indication that this change is working, I'd like to see some more details. How is it working? How is it failing? One place it is probably working well is with those one liners that non-logged in users create when they click on a red link and wind up with a text box. This probably isn't even malicious in many cases. Maybe we could try addressing this but still allowing people to create new articles without logging in if they do so explicitly.
I've tried to keep an open mind about this experiment because I agree with Jimbo that it doesn't really change the openness of the site. Pretty much anyone can create an account if they want to. It also doesn't disallow anonymity, since in fact the only way to really be anonymous (to those without CheckUser) would be to create a new account with each edit anyway. (Note that these points wouldn't apply to other changes like not allowing new accounts to create new articles.) The way I see it, this is basically a question of efficiency, what policy best facilitates the creation of good articles but hinders the creation of bad ones. I still haven't seen enough data to make up my mind though.
Oh yeah, I'd like to point out the one data point which I found most persuasive. In the statistics that were given, the number of new articles went down by nearly exactly the same as the number of deletions. If that holds up over a long period of time, damn that's a good statistic.
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