-----Original Message----- From: Daniel R. Tobias [mailto:dan@tobias.name] Sent: Monday, July 2, 2007 04:59 PM To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] FredBauder"clarifies"onattackkkkk site link policy
On 2 Jul 2007 at 17:36:03 +0000, wikien-l-request@lists.wikime wrote:
No, I just read the link wrong. I made a mistake. Good thing I wasn't flying an airplane : I'm sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings. Or stirred them up unnecessarily.
Unfortunately, this is not the first time you've "stirred" something up unnecessarily as a result of your failure to properly understand policy or the facts of a situation. A couple of months ago, on this list, you were pushing an odd interpretation of the WP:BLP policy that allegedly held that, if any admin claimed that BLP was being violated, and deleted an article as a result, then this decision was unreviewable and unassailable, except by a full-blown Arbcom case, even if the original admin was completely wrongheaded about it. (And, given that somebody recently even attempted a serious argument to the effect that [[Jesus Christ]] was covered by BLP because he rose from the grave, one can't be sure of the policy always being applied sensibly; the checks and balances of normal policy and process are important for helping this.) You were claiming (with no justification) that all of this was provided in the BLP policy, but had to back down from that, and the policy now is that normal process such as DRV can in fact be applied, though there's a presumption in favor of keeping deleted in the case of BLPs anyway.
I expect much better from somebody in a position of trust who's tasked with interpreting policy and passing judgment on Wikipedians.
On 7/3/07, Fred Bauder fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
You're not in good faith. If I go one way, you hate it. if I go the other way, you hate it. The object seems to be hate.
Fred, please try to not take things personally. It's been very confusing to me to understand your positions here; you haven't been explaining yourself perfectly, and people have been talking across one another. Also, making accusations of bad faith and *hate* is not really helpful, as you probably know yourself.
We recognize that you work incredibly hard to help Wikipedia, and I for one am glad you're willing to discuss things on the wikien list. But please recognize these criticisms as being (so far as I can tell) serious and honest.