On 5/15/06, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 5/15/06, Oskar Sigvardsson oskarsigvardsson@gmail.com wrote:
I hate that people keep bringing examples such as these up. There is a HUGE difference between NPOV articles being inflammatory to religions or people (such as [[Piss Christ]] and the cartoons thing), and posting inflammatory statements on your userpage! I can't even begin to understand how people can compare putting "I think GWB is an asshat" on your userpage with including one of the most notable cartoons in history in the encyclopedia.
Hey are you know going to argue that user namespace shouldn't be inflamitory?
How about [[User:Cyde/Weird pictures]] (seriously not safe for work)?
Is it so nuts to think that people shouldn't do try to do inflammatory things, just to be inflammatory? Is it really ok to piss people off, *just to piss people off*. I'm going to come out and say no, you shouldn't be inflammatory just for it's own sake. You should be civil to your fellow wikipedians. We have a policy on that, it's called WP:CIVIL.
So yeah, having inflammatory webpages is against policy.
As a side note, User:Cyde really has behaved very badly lately (see [[Template:User christian]]), and he justified defaming the crucifix for fun by saying "Hey, since we piss muslims off by haveing the mohammad picture, that must mean we have free license to behave like jack-asses just for fun!"
Let's just say that, for me, I'm fine with invoking "evidence to the contrary"-clause of WP:AGF.
Look, if an article is needlessly POV-style inflammatory, then ofcourse that should be fixed. But if an article presents just the facts in an NPOV fashion, then it's a good article, no matter how many people it offends.
Of course. Now think about how that effects our editor pool.
So stop using the cartoons controversy to justify behaving like asses! It's not the same thing!
--Oskar
I wasn't makeing a dirrect comparision. Just knocking out a poorly framed argument. The problem is that if you try to reframe the argument to get around the obvious problem it runs into a whole load of new ones.
-- geni
I don't really see these problems. Here's how I see it:
"Don't be dicks. Be civil. Don't insult people just for the hell of it. And write good neutral articles, presenting the facts in a neutral way."
Why is this so hard?
--Oskar