On 21/06/06, Theresa Knott theresaknott@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/21/06, Mark Ryan ultrablue@gmail.com wrote:
We appear to have lose access to the Oversight logs altogether. Is there any explanation for this at all? I presume without this slight accountability measure in place the oversight privileges have also been revoked from those who have them.
Originally the log only showed who had removed an edit and where it was removed from. It did not show what was removed so it was not that good for accountability at all. It has now been changes so that it shows the edit that was deleted. This is much better for accountability because we can check up on each other. Unfortunately this means that the log itself has to be kept private. Those people with oversight can view it. No one else can.
Theresa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Listusers/oversight?limit=500 for the list of users with "Oversight" access, which are, at of this moment:
1. Brion VIBBER http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Brion_VIBBER(oversight, Sysop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators) 2. Charles Matthewshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Charles_Matthews(oversight, Sysop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators) 3. Dmcdevit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dmcdevit (oversight, Sysop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators) 4. Essjay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Essjay (Bureaucrathttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats, checkuser, oversight, Sysophttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators ) 5. Filiocht http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Filiocht (oversight, Sysop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators) 6. Fred Bauder http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fred_Bauder(checkuser, oversight, Sysop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators) 7. Jayjg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jayjg (checkuser, oversight, Sysop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators) 8. Jdforrester http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jdforrester(oversight, Sysop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators) 9. Jimbo Wales http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales(developer, oversight, Steward, Sysop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators) 10. Mindspillage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mindspillage(oversight, Sysop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators) 11. Morven http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Morven (checkuser, oversight, Sysophttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators ) 12. Neutrality http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Neutrality(oversight, Sysop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators) 13. Raul654 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Raul654 ( Bureaucrathttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats, checkuser, oversight, Sysophttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators ) 14. Sam Korn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sam_Korn (checkuser, oversight, Sysophttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators ) 15. SimonP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SimonP (oversight, Sysop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators) 16. The Epopt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Epopt(checkuser, oversight, Sysop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators) 17. Theresa knott http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Theresa_knott(oversight, Sysop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators)
None of these were appointed in any way by the community, they just seem to have been privileges handed out to friends as individuals see fit...
Now... If no one knows what exactly was deleted, not even the oversight people themselves, how is abuse of this ever going to be detected? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2006-06-05/Oversig... - "For legal reasons, revisions deleted through oversight are not visible to anyone, including oversight members. The only way to retrieve such revisions is by manual restoration by a developer."
Ok, so developers can see it, but developers will not check unless there's already a claim that there may have been abuse of it - the thing is, when no one knows what's deleted, no one ever knows, not even the supposedly trusted users in Oversight. I think that probably needs to be changed. If there are certain people who cannot be trusted with information from Oversight they shouldn't have it in the first place. Either that or create a separate usergroup for "viewOversight" maybe....?