On 7/19/07, Stan Shebs stanshebs@earthlink.net wrote:
So as imperfect as it is, we don't have any superior alternatives to adopt,
I disagree. There are alternatives; but nobody seems to want to do anything substantiative about it.
and the "free only" stance has
such radical consequences that most people recoil from it.
That is one possible route, yes. As you note (in text not quoted here), other projects have no fair use allowed. Maybe there are lots of people that come to en.wikipedia for the fair use pictures, but those projects continue on despite having no fair use allowed.
While people might recoil in horror at the idea of no fair use at all, it is a solution that will not cause en.wikipedia to collapse. I personally am not in favor of the stance, but it at least provides a bright line defense.
There is no
magic wand to wave, nobody to issue a diktat that will solve the problem all at once.
I tend to disagree. Maybe I'm naive, but we've had diktats that have been enforced before. Right now, as noted in the prior thread, we have a badly muddled situation that is ultimately untenable. There ARE alternatives.
Occasional grumbles notwithstanding, I'm personally quite pleased with
how much better we're handling non-free content these days, and I'm confident that continued steady effort will improve it even further.
We've gotten better, but facing 500 thousand fair use images over the next year and calling ourselves "free content" is a joke.
en.wikipedia is utterly failing at executing the Foundation's mission, and it is THE flagship project.
In any organization, it is a right and good thing to evaluate progress against the mission and vision of the organization. We might be further along towards the goal of properly managing non-free content than we were four years ago. But, the goal is not to properly manage non-free content.
It's almost like we're a professional sports team. We lose, year after year after year. Our defense to this? "We're not losing as much as we have in the past, and our marketing seems to be doing ok" The point of a team is to win.
Wikipedia's mission is to provide neutral educational content under a free license.
We've failed, in so far as images are concerned, and there's no ignoring that or trying to make it better by saying we're doing a better job of managing the failure.
When is too much too much? Are we going to allow ourselves to get to a situation where we have 50 million non-free images and be happy about it because they are properly sourced, tagged, and have rationales in line with our policies? That's not what Wikipedia is supposed to be. If people really think that's an acceptable situation, then en.Wikipedia has utterly lost its way.
Somebody pass me a free beer...
-Durin