On 1/29/06, Haukur Þorgeirsson haukurth@hi.is wrote:
Not at all. If the speedy is undeleted while being discussed on DRV, there's nothing to stop someone cleaning it up listing it in good faith on AfD. That's the beauty of having (non-problematic) articles undeleted while on DRV. The article becomes visible, editable and improvable and if it ends up going to AfD and being kept there then so much the better.
Good, especially if we can institutionalize it. We need a streamlined DRV procedure to avoid time-wasting wheel-wars and blocks. Currently we have something of a Wild West atmosphere.
The reason for this, in my opinion, is that there is a very storng culture of bad faith on the deletion forums. Just a few minutes ago on IRC one administrator whom I respect greatly said, quite candidly and without any hint that what he was saying might be controversial, that nearly all DRV listings are in bad faith, anyway. I'm doing my best to lead by example, opening up the procedure so that it doesn't unnecessarily hamper the wiki aspect of Wikipedia and so that commonsense moves of venue from DRV to AfD, where appropriate, are not artificially hampered.
Yes, In the past I have had to repeatedly undelete articles in order to shift venue, in cases where the subsequent AfD has resulted in near unanimous keeps of good articles. I'm not ashamed of having done that, and I don't care if people call it wheel warring. It certainly was not abuse of my administrator powers. But it is, undoubtedly, undesirable to have administrators faced with the dilemma of either going against other admnistrators in order to ensure a move to AfD, or accepting the rubber-stamping of a bad deletion call. This change in procedure should make that unnecessary. Articles will be visible and editable and a switch to AfD, where appropriate, will be painless.