--- Daniel Mayer maveric149@yahoo.com wrote:
Eh? I don't remember calling for two types of sysops. I've only advocated for sysops to have the ability to block vandals who have happened to log-in. The particular method by which I proposed this was simple; allow sysops the ability to see the IPs of logged-in users.
Here http://www.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2003-April/002351.html
extract "BTW, when I say "policy" while posting to WikiEN-l I usually mean policy for en.wiki. There does seem to be consensus for allowing sysops to see the IP numbers of logged-in users on en.wiki but there obviously is no consensus for this to be a global policy. This feature could be turned-off by default and decided on a language-by-language basis as far as I'm concerned. On en.wiki at least, there are enough sysops and enough people watching the sysops to ensure proper checks and balances. Jimbo is also fluent in English so it is easy for him to investigate alleged abuses."
You suggested that the discussed policy was only for english wikipedia. You mentionned the fact policy could be decided differently on other wikis. In short, that means that there could be two different types of sysop depending on which wikipedia one is sysop
For example, were this type of rule changed decided on the english wikipedia, but not on the french wikipedia, an english sysop could see my ip on the english wikipedia, but me, on the french could not see the ip of that english person.
Right ? This is a two level sysophood.
And likely, if rules begin to be different between wikipedias, users will have to start remembering which rules are followed on which wikipedias.
I still think this is the best solution.
I still do not. For privacy sake For giving even more power to sysops than they already have
Were ips given, it could at least be displayed for everyone. You cannot expect an occasional user (not very up to date in terms of rules) to guess some people (quite a lot of people) see things that he doesnot. People often expect database admin to see this info, but they also know these latter are submitted to an ethics of discretion.
And I still believe this is a very dangerous option, which could limit the freedom of editing of some people. I think next step will be to require people to give their body information, maybe identity card number, picture, phone number and so on. This is a bad move
Perhaps our previous disagreement was based on the above misunderstanding? I would have opposed a two-level sysop scheme too.
Good. And so I think this type of change is a wikipedia wild change, not an english restricted change.
Let's make it simple : change nothing !
note : I made an effort to write wikipedia instead of wiki...
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