I am? I am accused of having a secret agenda on a regular basis. Resumes can easily be forged. If the lobby is as organized as we fear it is. And sarcasm will not really charm anyone. Such an organization would have "legends" to their "agents".
I know about various 'nationalist groups' (thats really an oversimplification) that exists on wikipedia only to push their view and purge views they do not agree to. They exist because we go out of our ways not to address this issue simply to keep our hands clean. The problem will not solve itself.
- White Cat
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 6:59 AM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
Since we start off with overkill, wouldn't it be easier to appoint admins based on resumes, personal interviews and obstacle course performance instead? And bureaucrats, having passed basic admin training, are selected for bureaucrat candidacy school and we take the top 10% of those?
Really, I think you're jumping at shadows. No one can point to even one admin account gained through some organized advocacy attempt, nor to any significant effects even as a result of this one "discovered" group. The point is there is no problem, and until there is... no solution is necessary
- particularly not of the drastic sort. Most of the "organized"
nationalism groups formed on-wiki and stay on-wiki, maybe you should fix that first.
Nathan
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 11:50 PM, White Cat < wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com> wrote:
Although it is a well known issue, this issue has finally made its way
to
spotlight with the ongoing CAMERA incident on English wikipedia... I am sure English wikipedia's arbcom will come up with a reasonable conclusion and the purpose of this email is not related to the CAMERA arbcom case directly.
Due to the very nature of wikis they are very open to outside
interference
and manipulation. Although there had been many discussions on the
matter,
they never generated the intended level of brainstorming.
I am sure someone can provide a brief history of past external manipulations so I will avoid listing them on this email.
You may be under the false impression that large wikis such as en.wikipedia is invulnerable to such attacks, but this would be a fatal mistake. English wikipedia is probably the most vulnerable language edition of wikipedia. If a lobby group were to secure some 10 admin accounts they can effectively overwhelm any process we have on English Wikipedia.
So lets discuss possible solutions and precautions.
I recommend that foundation pass a ruling on the matter of lobby takeovers. Although it goes without saying along with NPOV, spelling it out has benefits and no harm. This way we can more easily and promptly purge
them
on wikis that did not have a serious conversation on this matter enough to come up with a policy. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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