Mark Gallagher wrote:
G'day Ryan,
David Gerard wrote:
It's explicitly Not A Vote, so it's hard to see how to get around this one.
I am tempted to summarily remove all tally boxes as blatant invitations to abuse of AFD as a straight vote.
Have you been in AFD recently? It is a vote. It always has been. "Consensus" is determined, in EVERY afd, by counting the number of delete votes versus the number of keep votes. Period. I recognize that the policy says it's not a vote, but the policy might as well say the moon is made of cheese.
In EVERY AfD? I've closed a few dozen now, and I've only rarely had to resort to counting votes --- and when I have, it's almost always ended up "no consensus keep", unless the count produced an overwhelming result.
So y'can reconsider the absolutes. Of course, in *principle* you may be correct, I'm not sure yet. If so, well, I look forward to your comments on my RfC in approximately two weeks' time.
Cheers,
I've closed a lot more than a few dozen, and I've only resorted to counting votes once or twice. (This was after VfD was renamed AfD; somehow before that I think I counted votes a bit more often.) Usually once I notice I'm counting I start biting myself in the ass, though. I try to weigh the arguments instead of basing the decision purely on votecounting. Consensus is determined by both *limited* votecounting and weighing the value of the arguments put forth. (Let's face it, there has to be a bloody good case for someone to delete an article where there are 20 keep votes.)
John Lee ([[User:Johnleemk]])