On 4/23/06, Conrad Dunkerson conrad.dunkerson@worldnet.att.net wrote:
- jayjg wrote:
One can posit all sorts of "maybes", but the fact remains that reverting the first admin assumes the first admin is incorrect. Instead of assuming, contact them first, and find out for sure. It's quite simple, and it astonishes me that anyone would defend summarily reverting an admin action over communicating with them first and building a consensus. This is not an emergency, and almost never is.
I find your position equally illogical. Tracking down the admin who originally protected a page to get their 'buy in' on unprotecting it after the issue has been resolved would be a pointless waste of time. MAYBE one time in a hundred they are going to have some non-apparent reason for wanting the page to remain protected, but usually not.
You keep forgetting the element of time here. The key is that it need not be done immediately; unprotecting a page after 20 minutes is wheel warring. Unprotecting a page after 20 days is probably fine.
Admins contravene the actions of others every day without anyone saying a word about it.
Sometimes for good, often for bad.
When situations change or new facts are uncovered admins SHOULD take the initiative to do what makes sense in the current circumstances. Putting that on hold to get the original admin's near certain agreement would be a pointless drag on getting things done. Ergo, this 'never ever undo the action of another admin without discussing it' seems to me untenable.
Sort of like reverting. Oh wait, but we should always discuss reversions, shouldn't we?
The only time you should need to 'discuss first' is if you think the other admin might disagree with your decision. People who's judgement of what another admin might object to is consistently off aren't likely to become admins in the first place or to remain that way. Wheel warring is almost never due to such mistaken assumptions as to what is ok, but rather due to deliberate actions which the person KNOWS the other admin will object to... often while 'discussion' is going on.
You can bet that if an admin has blocked someone, he'll object to the block being lifted a few minutes later, unless he has it explained first. I've never seen a case where that wasn't true.
Jay.