On 8/28/07, Daniel R. Tobias dan@tobias.name wrote:
On 28 Aug 2007 at 14:57:16 -0700, "George Herbert" george.herbert@gmail.com wrote:
Either the system works... we are mostly honorable people, and have enough honest and principled people that if something seriously sinister started someone would stand up and publically announce it and call for it to end.
...and get labeled a "troll", his messages summarily deleted as trolling, and eventually he gets banned, then any subsequent person who expresses similar ideas gets labeled a "sockpuppet" and banned too, even more summarily. And the clique pats themselves on the back for defeating another bad guy.
None of these things have happened to Cyde.
A lot of this is in AGF - if it's someone "we know" who believes there's an issue, even if they turn out to be wrong, they won't generally be taken to be trying to "just stir shit up".
We don't AGF about a lot of people who have dissapointed the community, to the point that it's hard for them to make legitimate reasonable criticisms in many venues now. That is clearly a legit problem.