From: Mark Gallagher m.g.gallagher@student.canberra.edu.au Reply-To: m.g.gallagher@student.canberra.edu.au,English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] CSD A7, hilarity ensues Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:40:20 +1000
G'day Anthony,
On 6/11/07, Jeff Raymond jeff.raymond@internationalhouseofbacon.com
wrote:
Matthew Brown wrote:
Ah. however, the standard at CSD is not proof of notability but an assertion of it. Admins are not supposed to evaluate the article against [[Wikipedia:Notability]] and unilaterally decide if it meets it.
Yes. Sadly, too many admins just look at the tag. Plenty of fault to go around.
Is an "assertion of notability" supposed to be harder or easier to obtain compared to outright "notability". Because it seems to me that in order for an article to assert the notability of its subject, if has to either: 1) be about a notable subject, or 2) contain falsehoods.
Notability is a tricky subject. I'll give you an example: bands.
Suppose I was the lead yodeler in The Flailing Hairnets, one of the premier bands performing music in the genre of Mexican Nasal Yodeling. However, we had not released two albums on a major label or done enough of the other things required by [[WP:MUSIC]].
AfD may well decide that we are significant enough in our genre to be worth an article, despite the fact that we fail [[WP:MUSIC]]. Then again, they may not. Are we notable? Regardless of what AfD decides, that's not something that can be dealt with by a single admin and a single clueless RC patroller spending 30 seconds apiece skimming the article and reaching for a button on VandalNukerPlus or whatever the latest semi-auto toy is called.
Agreed. With borderline A7s AfD should really be used instead, and the article given more time to develop. Even with routine A7s I usually run a quick Google search to see if there's something there other than the usual Myspace crap. I hope admins don't delete routinely based purely on the article actually being tagged (besides, didn't we have a vandal a while back who was tagging perfectly good, if obscure articles for CSD? I seem to remember something like that). The obvious exception are the A7s consisting of "Andrew Bloggins is in 6th grade in Ohio who likes homework". But for borderline ones, I should hope admins don't routinely trust the tagger. Bad idea.
Moreschi
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