On 9/16/05, Sam Korn smoddy@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/16/05, Tony Sidaway f.crdfa@gmail.com wrote:
But I do win. And it is a struggle. A struggle to make an article so good that it cannot be deleted. Otherwise why would anyone want to hang out on AfD? And as a by-product Wikipedia gets some pretty good articles.
You win against whom? You may succeed. But you don't win. If you think you do, you should consider that everyone (well, near everyone) on Wikipedia wants to _improve_ it. So your attitude of seeing victory is simply not helpful.
If the game is to improve an article to a point where the consensus is "keep", then concensus has also decided that a win in this game improves Wikipedia, and is therefore helpful.
Just as not all losses necessarily include a victor, not all victories require losers. Should delete nominators really consider it a loss if the article is improved and the consensus "keep"? Obviously not.
Tony's actions prove that he's going for win-win rather than win-lose. He's improving the encyclopedia. I hope more people join him in his game.
However, the win/lose jargon should be kept under close control by all who use it.