Perhap I am misunderstood. I think all the deletions of recipes and how-to's is too strict and decreases rather than increases the encyclopedia's utility to casual users and readers.
Fred
From: Anthere anthere8@yahoo.com Reply-To: anthere8@yahoo.com, English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:23:24 +0100 To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: HOWTOs/Recipes/Instructions and other imperative content
I understand that. Sorry if I am not relaxed, but I can't get it. I might be more relaxed if the french cooking recipees were not moved out of this encyclopedia, some with no links left to the recipee itself, not to mention cases where the article is just plain deleted. Some of these recipees have encyclopedic value, they are typical examples of a certain way of life, they are typical examples of cooking techniques. Just a dozen of recipees do not impair the quality of highly cultural articles, at least no more than the thousand of tiny american city articles. We have room. It is not because another project is about cooking that cooking should just disappear from Wikipedia. Plus it breaks international links, for other wikipedias consider recipees have value. Plus it is unnice for all the contributors (often newbies) who wrote the recipee, and who do not find articles any more. How do these few dozens recipees bother any one ? When they are famous dishes, they should not be deleted. That is bad. This is destroying information. We *have* room. And some believe this is valuable information.
And the solution is not to go claim consensus and update policies when someone try to discuss the matter.
Thinking about it, a bit of promotion :-)
This page is directly linked from our front page. It should be enriched, but well, you will get the idea I think
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recettes_du_mois
Isnot that neat ?
Ant
Fred Bauder a écrit:
This always seemed wrong to me. I'd like to see a whole lot more relaxed attitude.
Fred
From: Anthere anthere8@yahoo.com Reply-To: anthere8@yahoo.com, English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:39:54 +0100 To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: HOWTOs/Recipes/Instructions and other imperative content
That seems like a very convoluted set of sentences; But, whatever the wording, many people expressed that they did not agree with such a policy. So, please, do not add it to what wikipedia is not, in order to ban recipes thereafter. There is no consensus on this, and several people expressed the feeling some recipees are perfectly okay to wikipedia.
Typically, rules that are set with no consensus are rules that I do not respect :-)
David Friedland a écrit:
The following seems to be the general idea that people have about how-to type content on Wikipedia. i.e. that it belongs on wikibooks, not wikipedia. I couldn't find anywhere where this was written out as policy, so this is my proposed addition to [[What Wikipedia is not]]:
Under what Wikipedia articles are not:
- Instructions. Wikipedia seeks to be informative, not instructional.
Therefore, things like how-tos, recipes, and other types of information that provide instruction on something are not appropriate on Wikipedia. They are appropriate, however, on Wikibooks, and articles that contain only instructional material should be moved to the appropriate area on Wikibooks. It is possible that information about instructions are appropriate on Wikipedia, but it should be presented in the indicative mood, and not the imperative mood that so distinctively marks instructional material.
I know the wording is a little weak, but it's my first attempt.
Since the WikiEN-l is for discussing policy, I thought I'd bring it up here.
- David
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