On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 6:53 AM, stevertigo stvrtg@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Lunalunasantin@gmail.com wrote:
It's almost as if the vast bulk of discussion takes place on the wiki, or something.
So, anyway, no. High level dispute resolution deliberations don't seem to happen on the wiki, and this has brought about a general lack of responsiveness, and has also negated open discussion itself to a certain degree.
My points are easier to refute when you change them, yes. I didn't say "arbcom", I said "vast bulk". Arbcom is involved in only a tiny fraction of disputes, and then only after prior resolution mechanisms have failed. Unless you're suggesting this mailing list would replace arbcom, I can't say that I'm sure what you're getting at, there.
That, specifically, is something I find missing from your proposal: an earnest explanation of what this gives us that on-wiki discussion cannot. Personally, I think it sounds likely to fragment discussion and encourage forum shopping, aside from giving people the feeling they've been run
around
-- even if you personally have a firm idea of the list's remit, other
people
will not.
An open mailing list for dispute resolution will bring about greater openness and wikilove.
How? What will it add that the wiki and current mailing lists cannot? You've argued that we should centralize discussion, and then you propose fragmenting it with a new list. I'm not sure if I can follow that.
Wouldn't it be reasonable to start discussion here, and fork in the event that discussion overwhelms other list traffic?
Your increasingly incessant personal attacks and use of the royal "we" -- what else could you be referring to? -- are a but off-putting, as well.
I appreciate the fact that someone perceived as making personal attacks will be chastised by you and others, but the fact of the matter is that I have never made any personal attacks against Cary or anyone else in this matter. A couple sarcastic or pointy responses to similarly sarcastic or rude commentary do not qualify. Your "incessant" term is a gross mischaracterization.
Interesting that you deny making any personal attacks, and yet you immediately leap to defend specific comments, as if you knew exactly which ones I might be referring to. Hm!
Anyway, you seem to have knocked that off lately. Thanks.
-Luna