On 7/13/07, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.com wrote:
On 7/12/07, John Lee johnleemk@gmail.com wrote:
I should think it would be obvious to anyone who has been in a few of
these
debates about our non-free content policies that if a consensus evolves
at
all, it will be definitely one that favours very liberal inclusion of non-free content, simply because legally we can. There are also some who don't see any conflict between our free nature and the inclusion of
non-free
content that identifies certain things without any discussion.
Johnleemk
It would help if the people spearheading non-free image use cleanup campaigns weren't deletionists on the issue.
By that, I mean that they took a look at things, and for example where something was properly labeled an album cover when it was uploaded but didn't have a current Betacommandbot-compliant Fair Use in [[article]] section, the cleanup people added the required rationale rather than deleting the image. If there are licensing questions or issues, uploaders be actually told about it and invited to fix things first.
Just today, I've had these two issues bite me.
I have no problem with truly infringing stuff going away. Making stuff go away because you can, when it is legal under policy but isn't labeled properly yet, doesn't earn you brownie points with me.
Yeah, that annoys the hell out of me as well. If you ask me, a lot of our efforts in areas like logos and albums are generally useless because those are the kinds of things where a boilerplate rationale will fly - they are often usable under even stringent non-free content policies anyway.
The problem is that we don't have enough efforts in the areas Durin is probably thinking of. I recall that insane argument I had with editors of a Lost article that was virtually a gallery of images from the show - most of them not illustrating anything specifically discussed by the article. These are cases where deletion is secondary to getting those images out of the article in question.
Johnleemk