From: Gwern Branwen gwern0@gmail.com Date: Mar 2, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Correction to New Yorker Article To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org
"Slim Virgin" < slimvirgin@gmail.com> writes:
On 3/2/07, Rob Smith nobs03@gmail.com wrote:
None of this would have happened
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Essjay#Outside_f...
if the circumstances that led to the creation of the Daniel
Brandt bio had
been dealt with fairly in both Arbitration cases which
preceeded it..
I created the stub on Brandt because his name was showing up as a
red
link in the article about, as I recall, Chip Berlet. Rather than remove the red link, I created a stub so it turned blue. End of
story.
Sarah
this would've happened regardless of Brandt. Would it have made the front page of Slashdot, would the New Yorker have published a correction if he had not been involved? I do not know for sure.
-- Gwern Inquiring minds want to know.
( A ) Brandt started the ball rolling for *TNY* to fix its error.
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=2778&view=findpost...
and the cases of Kathryn Wolfe or Katefan0 are well known.
On 3/2/07, Gwern Branwen gwern0@gmail.com wrote:
"Rob Smith" nobs03@gmail.com writes:
On 3/2/07, phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
A note: Ken Myers is a lawyer who has written about the
Communications
Decency Act and its relationship to Wikipedia, and who
delivered a paper
(and organized a panel) about that topic at last year's
Wikimania. He's a
bright guy with some good ideas. It's unsurprising to me that
he's
interested in controversies surrounding Wikipedia, but it does
seem
completely irrelevant to this discussion. -- phoebe
Timeline
Wed 21 Feb 2007, 4:10pm Ken Myers registers an account at WR
Thu 22 Feb2007, 12:35pm Ken Myers last posting at WR
Fri 23 Feb 2007, 9:08am Yanksox registers an account at WR
Fri 23 Feb 2007, 12:53pm Yanksox deletes Daniel Brandt
Fri 23 Feb 2007, 12:56pm Yanksox does a kamikazi dive
Sun 25 Feb 2007, 9:46pm nobs posts summary at Wikien-1
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=6799&view=findpost...
Rob, again, could you be a little more explicit about what sort of causation you see in this correlation? Yes, it is kind of odd that a lawyer specializing (or more modestly, has an interest in), would register on a message board widely known to be very critical of Wikipedia, involved with exactly the sort of subject material that raises issue that lawyer examines, and occasionally frequented by Wikipedia insiders just a day or 2 before a Wikipedia insider registers and is apparently influenced by what he reads to commit a quite controversial series of admin actions related to a cause celebre on that message board - but _post hoc ergo propter hoc_, as the logicians say. Are you suggesting Yanksox is Ken Myers, Ken Myers contacted Yanksox and convinced him to do it, the other way around, or what? And then you include mention nobs...
I'm just not following you here.
-- Gwern Inquiring minds want to know.
After my Appeal was rejected and my ban extended, I sought out Mr. Brandt at WR and begin telling what I knew. All Brandt knew was he woke one morning and had been slandered. I laid out the events prior to the creation of his wiki bio in a portal at WR. A contextural narrative is reproduced here
http://nobsopus.blogspot.com/2007/02/navigating-flame-wars-of-daniel-brandt....
Then I baited Mr. Ken Myers, author of *Wikimmunity,* into WR with a little piece of comedy he referenced in his first posting there. Brandt & Myers had a few exchanges, Myers spent several hours reviewing posting on that forum; by 1pm UTC the Brandt bio was deleted.
Rob Smith aka User:Nobs01 & User:Nobs02