WikiUser wrote
Can you give any examples of what you mean by "egregious trolls and pov
pushers"? Also of the "boundless good will."? Also, who is meant by "we" and "our"? -WikiUser.
Of course Jimbo can; and of course he isn't going to make pointed personal remarks. And if he can't speak of 'we', the community of Wiki-en or Wikipedia as a whole or Wikimedia as a whole (take your pick), I wonder who can.
For the record, I think POV pushing is the single problem in relation to WP to which we don't have a working solution, as of end 2004. So I'm entirely behind Jimbo's analysis of the challenge. We have the eyeballs to fact-check with, in many areas; we have the eyeballs to see what is too vague to be checkable, as a practical matter if not as a legalistic definition. What we don't have, in practice, and what I feel the lack of, is the way of defining a 'pattern of POV editing' that would warrant warning and then sanctions. This ought to be seen as the current defining issue. Anyway, this all points back to the ArbCom elections as the real focus of Wiki-en's public life; which is only right and proper.
Charles