On Sun, Nov 11, 2007 at 05:41:21PM -0500, joshua.zelinsky@yale.edu wrote:
Quoting Raphael Wegmann raphael@psi.co.at:
Guy Chapman aka JzG schrieb:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:52:43 +0100, Raphael Wegmann raphael@psi.co.at wrote:
No, the only people who need to fear that are the *already banned* abusers of the project whose socks we are blocking on an almost daily basis.
And what kind of magic is involved in finding those socks? In what way is it different from a witch hunt?
The average sockpuppet is traceable via IP using CheckUser and other methods, whereas witch hunts require ducking stools and the like.
None of those methods is verifiable by a normal editor. Therefore CheckUser and "other methods" are a kind of "witchcraft" for non-admins, where only the adepts make decisions.
Are you saying that you don't trust the people we have doing checkuser? Or that you don't trust Durova and others who are good at picking up subtle signals of socks? The first case, my response is going to be close to "well, too bad. The rest of the community trusts them. If you disagree you need a good reason"- the second case simply doesn't hold water because Durova, Guy and others are always willing to email trusted users their evidence.
What are those "other methods"? According to WP:SOCK "similarities in interests and editing style" might help to detect sockpuppets. If this is the case, how can we make sure, that we do not block different editors, who happen to share the same POV? Does it matter at all since we might call them as well meatpuppets? How do we prevent admins from blocking not a vandal but a certain POV?