Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:28:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: C22C1FD3.2697%michaeldavid86@comcast.net (Marc Riddell's message of "Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:47:15 -0400") Message-ID: 867it5b5bv.fsf@elan.rh.rit.edu User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.0.95 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed --text follows this line-- Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net writes:
on 3/25/07 12:11 PM, Seth Finkelstein at sethf@sethf.com wrote:
Jimmy Wales Oh, he is talking about how I manipulate and control people in
the cult
through an environment of... well, it isn't intimidation and
fear I
think we all agree... it's manipulation and control
through... uh...
being mostly friendly and trying to see the best in everyone,
...
"It's called a confidence game. Why? Because you give me your confidence? No. Because I give you mine." -- _House Of Cards_
[This quote is meant to illustrate manipulation via positive
versus
negative emotion, not to say Wikipedia is _per se_ a confidence
game.]
[This is why this discussion can be overly tedious, every major
point
has to be carefully protected against tendentious reading]
Strawman #1 in this discussion, repeated several times now:
- Assume all cults work only by hate and fear
- Assume Wikipedia is filled only with love and happiness
[Bang! Pow! Down goes the strawman!] 3) How silly it is for anyone to speak of the good Wikipedia
like the bad
cults
I guess I came late to the party, or haven't been paying
attention, or -
something. What is you basic beef, Seth?
Marc Riddell
That there's an article on him ([[Seth Finkelstein]]). I think he's also trying to follow up on Jaron Lanier's 'Wikipedia Is Communism^WDigital Maoism' thesis, particularly the personality cult accusation part.