On 12/09/05, Jimmy Wales jwales@wikia.com wrote:
Dan Grey wrote:
Pure wiki deletion system.
Can you explain what you mean by that? In some detail?
--Jimbo
As Angela linked to before: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Pure_wiki_deletion_system_(proposal)
On 12/09/05, Sam Korn smoddy@gmail.com wrote:
Dan, you are one of the most vocal proponents of the PWDS. Please explain to me this: what would we gain by having revert wars over something, with blatantly obvious vandalism available in page histories, rather than deleting outright?
Revert wars wouldn't get very far due to the 3RR - it would force people to come to a *consensus* over whether or not to include an article, rather than just voting. I bet most deletions wouldn't be controversial (just as a lot of AfD listings aren't opposed). I don't see how having vandalism in page histories is a problem.
This may be "pure wiki" and therefore desirable from a social point of view, if you take the viewpoint that Wikipedia is a wiki as would conventionally be seen. I suggest, however, that many ideas about wikis do not apply to Wikipedia because of the difference in scale and therefore vandalism.
I simply disagree!
In the end, we are going to force discussions over the matter. It is conventional WP philosophy that edit wars are not good. They attract trolls and POV-pushers and, in the end, force a tyranny of the majority, as the 3RR will always win. However, the discussions would essentially be AfD discussions about controversial articles.
No, AfD doesn't have "discussions", it has simple majority votes. PWDS would force *discussion* over voting, as the power to delete/undelete would belong to everyone, therefore everyone would have to agree on a course of action :-).
So we are back where we started.
So I ask this:
- What do we hope to gain by introducing PWDS?
- How do we handle the vandals who will blank a page (as many already
do for vandalism) then to claim "but I was deleting the article"?
1.See everything I've written and the above link 2. Any deletion blanking would still have to be justified on the talk page as per the Deletion policy, and also indicated in the edit summary - if not, it would simply be reverted as vandalism.
Dan