On Dec 12, 2007 12:21 AM, jayjg jayjg99@gmail.com wrote:
On Dec 11, 2007 1:08 PM, Andrew Gray shimgray@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/12/2007, jayjg jayjg99@gmail.com wrote:
On Dec 11, 2007 11:58 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
On 11/12/2007, jayjg jayjg99@gmail.com wrote:
Experience says "no", I am afraid. We will discuss this topic, repeated ad nauseum and ad hominem by The Side Of Justice And Truth And Light, and God help you if you dare suggest we've heard enough.
Actually, Andrew, I don't think the discussion is over until you've told the victims of harassment to leave Wikipedia for the good of Wikipedia. At that point the thread sinks so low that nothing can redeem it.
"God help you if you dare suggest we've heard enough", I said, and by golly here it comes.
But I suppose it's too much to ask you don't put words in my mouth.
"Please leave. All of you. The project is more important than your pride, and you are dragging it down; this situation is never going to improve unless someone walks away." Andrew Gray, Wed Aug 1 14:41:22 UTC 2007 http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2007-August/078379.html
"Please. For the good of the project, turn around and walk away." Andrew Gray, Thu Aug 2 02:35:38 UTC 2007 http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2007-August/078422.html
Ah, yes, that last one...
"Like I said originally, this is not personal; this is not because I dislike any of the participants ... I feel a heel saying it. I wish the situation wasn't where it's got to."
"This whole thing is ballooning bigger and bigger as time goes on; what you are doing is harming the project, and if it goes on much further the incremental damage will be that much worse."
It doesn't seem to have changed much.
Right, I didn't put words in your mouth after all, as you claimed, and you're still posting the same nonsense. Frankly, given your attitude, Wikipedia would be better off without you; nothing personal, and I wish it weren't so, but it's clear you should just leave.
Any progress on the pausing-to-see-if-your-next-email-is helpful front, Jay? Or the not-replying-unless-its-ontopic front? Or the raising-the-level-of-discourse-on-this-list front? No? Moderator! Your services are required.
Again, caricaturing opposing viewpoints is never helpful. I suspect that practically nobody is even reading this thread any more, which may not be what Jay intended.
RR