Jake Nelson jnelson@soncom.com wrote: Indeed. I don't like the listing of it for deletion, VFD is far overtaxed as it is... but I found Cleanup entirely unreadable.
I agree.
FYI: The basic idea that Cimon Avaro on a Pogo Stick and I agree on is that comment needs to be limited. I think that sigs (without timestamps) should work fine. Cimon thought that the whole thing should work on anonymity. His idea was to de-politicize it by removing any names, so that people would'nt go quarrelling with each other --instead, they would just take care of business. I dont agree with him, but I now understand his reasoning, and I appreciate the depth to which he gave it thought. That said, I think that *that* aspect of our experiment failed --because its just not interesting if its not personalized. People like personally making contacts and such -- maintained and trusted identies facilitate progress.
To say that dealing impersonally with people would make things run smoother, is really not workable with human beings. Robots maybe. The sig represents a whole identity we can make up in our heads -- I have no idea how people here picture me, but you all do have a picture, nonetheless, though all youve seen is my words. so... First change on Cleanup -- allow sigs. no timestamp. (Three ~ only.)
Second, come up with some way to deal with headers -- as they are used for breaks. Maybe just a ===*=== between each entry. I dunno. If only there was a way to insert numbered breaks. If only there was a way to insert an *hourstamp ( no minutes) as a break header.
Third, a cleanup for the cleanup page process needs to be put into motion. We cant have week old stuff laying around. The original idea was to have it be there only a day. this may be too fast. Three might be better, and again-- each page can get the attn it needs -- limited the number sent to VFD to seriously controversial deletions.
Fourth: As for informal deletions --its always been controversial that sysops just go ahead and delete stuff -- even if its fairly nonsensical. In fact this is may be a typical cause of some grudges between old people and new people -- as newbies at first have no clue whatsoever. ( I didnt). Do we drive tender newbies away by running roughshod over their contributions? I dunno. I suggested making it a rule that *all* deletions with at least a plausible *title (that may stub a genuine article) be sent to Cleanup. It may simply need a redirect, or what have you --but these may in fact seed some development, and putting these on Cleanup would give these items a longer life than they have on Recent changes.
Didnt mean to go on so long.... ~S~
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