On 5/6/05, Josh Gordon joshua.p.gordon@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think it's us who the bullies are here. The alleged kook has been bullying people on usenet for many years; his legal threats are an example of that. If we had an article [[Abusive usenet contributors]], he'd be pretty close to the top of the list.
Josh, we're not supposed to use Usenet as a source except for material about itself. This is like using Stormfront as a source for an article about itself (which we can do), then mentioning that they give out an award for Jewish Supremacist of the Year, and adding the real name of this year's winner - a private individual, who's been given the award because he's been harassing Stormfront. And when that person writes to us and asks that we remove his name from the Stormfront article, and explains that he was only given the award because he's been making a nuisance of himself with Stormfront, we ridicule him, we protect the article so he can't remove his name, and then we threaten to ban him!
The bottom line is that Usenet can only be used as a source of information *about itself* because it does not count as a reputable, credible, or authoritative source, and while the Kook of the Year reference is about Usenet, the name of the complainant is not. He is a private, non-notable individual, except in Usenet terms, where he has achieved notability, but we are *not allowed to use Usenet as a source for the claim of notability*, because in so doing, we're using Usenet as a secondary source, which is not allowed under [[Wikipedia:No original research]]. So we have admins violating core policy here in order to keep this non-notable man's name in a silly article about a silly subject, even though he's asked us to remove it and has said it could harm his business.
Mperel made a good point about this elsewhere: "So does this mean you would support listing the name of high school girls awarded the name "slut" by their male peers under the respective high school articles, since it would simply be reporting the verifiable fact that boys at high school xyz have called girl abc a "slut"?" --MPerel
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