--- Anthere anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
You (Mav) are correct that there is a difference. But, may I suggest that if there is no automatic extension, how will the decision to extend be taken ? Usually, you (the arbcom) takes time before banning someone. If the arbcom has juridication : Will you (the arbcom) have to discuss it for 3 weeks before banning from ml a banned user getting wild on the list ?
If a banned user gets wild on this list, then any moderator should feel very confident in banning said person without Jimbo having to ask, IMO. But I do not think that an editing ban on the English Wikipedia should automatically mean a posting ban to WikiEN-l *unless* that is *specifically* stated in an ArbCom ruling.
What are teh arguments for not letting moderators do the job ?
There are none. I'm just saying that WikiEN-l mailing list moderators should be emboldened to more easily block troublesome posters if they are under a hard ban on the wiki. This gives moderators *more*, not less power to act.
I think Paul Vogel was banned here mostly because of his behavior here.
I agree. And since there was not a specific ArbCom ruling banning him from posting here he could have done so indefinitely if he behaved. But since he was not behaving and was already banned on the wiki, IMO, that means that the WikiEN-l moderators should not extend to him the same amount of patience they do to non-banned users.
I think possibly, what will happen if we decide the arbcom has jurisdiction here, the moderators could just be hands of the arbcom, and possibly hesitate to ban without an arbcom official decision.
That would be a bad idea since it creates a bottleneck at the ArbCom level. Moderators should do as they do now and use ArbCom rulings where appropriate to give them more power to act for certain users.
Not you (Mav) specifically. This is absolutely not your type Mav :-) But that the arbcom propose to change the rules and ask to have juridiction here as well, is in effect a power grab yes.
I was under the impression that this was the case from day one.
If a banned user makes trouble on another mailing list, then none of the above applies since ArbCom rulings have no force beyond the English Wikipedia. Jimbo is still king there (as well as here), so he'll take any action if needed.
-- Daniel
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