On Tue, 1 May 2007 12:59:44 -0400 (EDT), "Jeff Raymond" jeff.raymond@internationalhouseofbacon.com wrote:
The bad guys aren't just winning, Fred, they're in control of these situations already, which is why we keep seeing these same problems flare up.
Jeff, I have to take issue with this. I suspect that you are talking about a different kind of "bad guys" from Fred, and also I have a problem with your approach to fixing your version of the problem, which is to make trouble for the janitors rather than trying to educate those who work at the firehose of crap, and get jaded, and tag articles they should not.
You sit, as you know, at the far extreme of inclusionism. Over the last couple of months you have begun to display exactly the same burnout symptoms, presumably because of the number of people who find your tireless advocacy of articles which in many cases genuinely are junk, to be tiresome. This makes you unpopular. You weathered that with some success for a long time, but you seem to be losing your equanimity.
Of course I could be wrong, and you could be referring to the same kind of bad guys, users like Giano who abuse their supporters by repeatedly and quite deliberately overstepping the mark. We have real challenges exemplified in the various Balkan articles, the agenda of people like Vintagekits who intends to write a hagiography of every IRA member to have been "martyred for the cause" and so on. But actually for the most part it kind of hangs together still. As long as those of us who remain committed to the project can bury our differences and stand shoulder to shoulder when the POV pushers, trolls and spammers attack, rather than bickering among themselves and letting them apply divide and conquer.
Guy (JzG)