On May 24, 2006, at 12:21 AM, abu hamza wrote:
well lets get ther record straight. The harold shipman page already stated he was jewish, well before i came along. I put it back in, after it was removed with no explanation (first time). I didn't add it. It was then removed repeatedly.
Usually, one is (a) either supposed to get the hint and stop adding it back in, or (b) attempt to discuss the issue instead if just revert warring over it.
the few references that are available (not usable in wikipedia) such as letters to newspapers on websites ( i have given the link here already) state he was jewish as his mother was a jewish asylum seeker.
If the only references available aren't usable in Wikipedia, then the information in question is not verifiable and should not be included in Wikipedia.
Whether it should be included on his page is debatable, because you would then have to go through all the pages where criminal and muslim are put together and ban the editor of that page indefinately.
No, not at all. First off, if you look at pages like [[John Allen Muhammed]], there's nothing in the lead paragraph (which is where you kept putting it in the Shipman article) indicating that he is Muslim. Secondly, it is a verifiable fact that John Muhammed is Muslim. It is not verifiable fact that Harold Shipman is Jewish or is of Jewish ancestry.
Thankfully there is NO WIKIPEDIA policy that states this is grounds for an indefinate ban???
Wikipedia is not a corporate bureaucracy operating solely by written procedures and policies. There's a consensus of administrators to block your account indefinitely. That's enough.
The issue here was not my obsession with putting it back in, but someones obsession with taking it out.
It takes two to edit war. Besides, there's a consensus between multiple parties to take it out. You're the only one obsessed with keeping it in.