Any newbie who has created an article which doesnt quite fit may face VFD, which is (IIRC an old comparison) like going to a restaurant only to be introduced to the trash cans.
But I've since come to understand that just like everybody needs an asshole, every Wikipedia needs a VFD. The problem is when Montezuma's kicks in, and the wholesome nutrition is flushed out with the dross and detritus. WP needs some kind of anti-Montezuma's type remedy --which just has to work and doesnt have to be of a particular brand (or color). ATS, its great to see people expressing their distaste for the subject, and support the notion that WP needs a new "exit strategy" --or at least a better working one.
But it's worrisome that the grand mailing list ppl are rather incapable, disorganized, and without leadership to do anything about it --such that Ed's rage against the machine seems to be something symbolic of a greater frustration rel. process failures to enforce consensus, and how consensus is too weak to change systemic trends. On the one hand its validating: WP, even if it is more wiki than encyclopedia, isnt bad. On the other hand, its frustrating because things, ideally, could be so much more ideal.
-SV
Ray (Eclect) wrote: "that Ed's horoic effort" - Was this a clever mix of horror and heroic?
--- Alex Regh Alex.Here@gmx.net wrote:
Hi!
On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 19:03:00 -0400, Daniel P. B. Smith wrote:
I suspect that very FEW newbies stumble across it.
Even if they do, I suspect that they are more likely to stumble over the page of a single article, not the fast mess VfD as such is. And on single pages, VfD doesn't necessarily look that bad.
Those newbies that start digging themselfs into policy pages and formal ways of resolving problems are probably the kind of people who have seens lots of crap before they ever came to WP.
So I do suspect that the impact of VfD on Newbies is quite limited.
Alex
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