Sascha Noyes wrote:
Toby Bartels wrote:
Sascha Noyes wrote:
The policy on personal attacks is not at all obscure. On the front page of wikipedia is a link to [[Wikipedia:Policy and guidelines]] (http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines). On that page, under the header "Specific guidelines to consider" is a link to [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks]] (http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks), which I have quoted above.
Number 9 on a list of 50 items /is/ obscure. If this is going to be used as material for a ban, then I agree that it should be made less obscure!
That is a matter of contention. How would you make it less obscure? Would you have all the policies listed on the "policy page" actually displayed on that page? The page would become very large indeed.
It /is/ a matter of contention? Sorry, I thought that you had said that you wanted this matter clarified before people were banned for it. (But I may have confused this with something that somebody else wrote.)
Mav already gave a good suggestion for making it less obscure, which is to list it on the submission requirements page that he wants linked to from every edit page. Then it would clearly be a requirement for any submission, not merely one of 50 "guidelines to consider".
I trust that you're not arguing that people should be banned for violating any of the 50 items listed as "guidelines to consider". This particular rule is special -- more than just for our consideration. But that is /not/ how it explained now -- it's obscure.
Your obscurity argument would constitute a somewhat valid criticism had it not been the case that MNH was informed by various different wikipedians approximately six times that "no personal attacks, period." was an official wikipedia policy.
Then say that! My obscurity argument was a response to what you wrote above. If you're going to rely on something else, then my response doesn't apply. But I stand by my response to *what*you*wrote*above* (with ">>>"). That placement /is/ obscure!
-- Toby