On 5/4/06, Gallagher Mark George m.g.gallagher@student.canberra.edu.au wrote:
G'day Steve,
On 03/05/06, Anthony DiPierro wikilegal@inbox.org wrote:
As for "an article with no claim to notability", I actually have no idea what that phrase means.
An article has to establish the notability of its subject. If it doesn't do that, it's subject to speedy deletion.
...I recite.
No, it has to *assert* the notability of its subject. When clearing up CAT:CSD I see a lot of speedy taggings where the tagger simply figured "sure, there's an assertion of notability there, but I don't think it's good enough". Wrong.
The question of whether an article establishes notability is not one that can, or should, be answered by a single admin working very very fast to delete as much stuff as quickly as possible. Unfortunately there are a few admins who seem to think "well, it's tagged for speedy, who am I to judge? That would be elitist." Oh, and let's not forget the non-admin CVUers who encourage that view ...
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Cheers,
-- MarkGallagher
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Mark,
You are 100% correct. While working as an Admin on speedy deletion, I often come across articles which contain assertions of notability.
In such cases, I do some quick research on verifiable sources:
a) if there are assertions of notability which are not immediately available I substitute a prod notice for a CSD nomination and make a note on the talk page so people have five days to find sources and add them;
b) if I can find verifiable evidence to assert notability, I remove the CSD tag and add something to the talk page - for example, a New York artist was speedied yesterday and with quick research, I discovered a New York Times review of an exhibition by the artist and added it to the article.
I also check the what links here even for articles where there is no assertion of notability. If there is a link, I normally rewrite the article to refer to the person linked to. I have created stubs on a Minnesota state politician, a US Olympic swimmer and a New Zealand cricketer amongst others.
It means that fewer articles are deleted but we add information on more notable topics and help to create an encyclopedia. I try to follow the precept of "If in doubt, don't delete".
Regards
*Keith Old* User:Capitalistroadster