On 3/24/06, Tony Sidaway f.crdfa@gmail.com wrote:
I think the substantive point to document here is that such a move does exist in the world of juggling. Whether we call the article by a certain name or credit one particular guy with inventing it is something to be dealt with by normal editing, but we don't want to be in a position where we say "we've seen strong evidence of this juggling move but we can't document it because the name by which the source knows it may be ideosyncratic. Let's get all human knowledge *into* the encyclopedia, and once it's there we can argue about what name to call things.
I think I've been misquoted somewhere :) This particular trick (which I know next to nothing about, because no one has ever talked about it), is afaik, simply a rather odd combination of flailing arms and balls that one guy came up with once, called Hermine, and decided to publish on the web. As such, it is not, IMHO, interesting enough to be in WP.
However, applying your above argument to something more common like ass catches (the "World Juggling Federation" insists on calling them "blind catches"), I would tend to agree with you.
I would love to document the "thoroughly impossible trick" (genuinely called that - google it!) 5 balls juggled overhead, straight into 5 balls behind the back, straight back into 5 balls overhead, with no transition throws. Ouch! (and yes, there is footage of someone actually doing it) It would be kind of cool to have an article on [[db97531]] (again, actually called that).
Interesting thing I now realise with juggling is that verifiability is easy - jugglers have a history of videotaping their creations to prove to other jugglers that they can actually do it.
Well all of the above is somewhat encouraging. I will try slowly adding more articles and see what happens. Is it considered [[WP:POINT]] to nominate your own article on AfD, just to test the waters? I really don't want to write 20 articles and have them all deleted several months down the track.
Steve