hi MacGyver. I wrote the section. Someone else added a request for citations, and i provided them. I didn't delete any citiations,I deleted the citations an put the references in their place
and for the jews against zionism - there was no reason given why it is not a good source other than that it was "propoganda", which is subjective.. The talmudic oaths are part of the talmud and the jews against zionism page referenced just quotes the talmud. Surely this cannot be classified as 'propoganda'.
And if i broke the 3R rule by reverting 3 times and adding something another time, then fine. but surely this carries just a 24 hour ban, not indefinate.
I appreciate that zionism is a 'hot topic', but that surely should mean being as fair as possible to the contributors, not imposing an extremely harsh ban for reasons with little or no substance.
Also Jayjg suggested i had broken copy right rules and used this as one of the reasons. I cannot find any examples, perhaps you can have a look.
thanks saladin1970
From: "MacGyverMagic/Mgm" macgyvermagic@gmail.com Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Unblock request Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:08:41 +0200
I only did a cursory glance, but what I've seen totally justifies a block. Edits like http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=53... clearly problematic. You remove sources and add a citation needed template in its place or replace existing sources with links to a website with obvious POV issues. And a whole section with a scholarly reference turned into a disputed tag.
In http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=53... you also try to link to http://zionism-realenemyofthejews.com
Multiple people have explained why you can't use this as a source and in response you say they vandalise wikipedia when it's you who remove sources to get it in.
Your contributions show the following edits: 10:41, 18 May 2006 (histhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&action=history) (diffhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=53838640) Zionism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism (rv to previous page. the references provide all the information given) 10:06, 18 May 2006 (histhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&action=history) (diffhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=53835919) Zionism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism (rv to previous page - the three oaths are totally relevant -unless you can come up with a good reason it stays) 06:41, 18 May 2006 (histhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&action=history) (diffhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=53819450) Zionism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism (added three oaths section,) 19:26, 17 May 2006 (histhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&action=history) (diffhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&diff=prev&oldid=53731767) Zionism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism (removed pov further reading and added a factual reference)
That's 4 reverts in about 15 hours, clearly a 3RR violation. All on the same username, your IP has nothing to do with that. Mgm
On 5/19/06, abu hamza abuhamza1970@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi, my wiki name is saladin1970. I joined just 3 days but find myself
banned.
i was banned by Jayjg . He cited the following reasons
- 3RR rule
- No useful edits
- Copyright violoations
- attacks on talk pages
They all seem very serious. yet when we look into each of the reasons, they really have no substance.
- I have two pc's one is shared at work - hence the same ip address and
editor the othe is my home pc. I only reverted 3 times, as did my collegue at work.
- I have made many contributions, including a section on moors in the
spanish inquisition, additions to the islam in china section, background info on harold shipman and contributions to alan harts page and zionism page, and turkic.
- There have been NO copyright violations. Every post was referenced to
a
website or to a book. All of whom allow references to as part of their copyright. So there was NO copy right violation
- there were no personal attacks on talk pages. The worst that could be
said was that i called someone a 'zionist'.
Clearly there is something more to this than the above, as these at best are minor violations that would carry warnings.
however I contend that this blocking falls under the "not advised to
block
rule".
my posts in the zionism forum have illicited strong responses .
Including
the person that banned me jayjg. These posts included a) a section on the talmudic three oaths - which is the reason behind orthodox jews who oppose political zionism. This was reverted many
times
by jayjg amongst others
also i added a further reading section book entitled "zionism the enemy
of
the jews by alan hart", who was a itv corrospondent during the 80's. His book is well researched 'historical and political' of the lead up to the creation of israel.
Given that Jayjg was part of this debate, i can see no other reason for
my
ban (as the reasons given are spurious) other than to eliminate a user
who
has a different view of zionism.
for this reason i am asking a moderator to look at the material posted
by
me, and make a fair decisions as to whether i should be banned indefinately thanks saladin
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