Durova wrote:
Alec, I appreciate that you're giving me some credit for stepping forward to take the heat for my own mistake.
Well, I appreciate your kind words. I'm a little confused by your statement of "You're wrong, but I'm not going to tell you how". Obviously, you must know that I can't actually take that on faith, but I will keep looking.
Now if you want to know why I'm on that cyberstalking list, there are several reasons. Have the decency to suppose that it is what it is, and leave the good people alone.
The cyberstalking list, problematic though it is, isn't as enigmatic as the investigations list. The investigations list was clearly formed just for the purpose of gathering evidence to support bans. The cyberstalking list might have a claim to being "support-group-esque", but the investigations list, by its name, summary, and the content of its messages, certainly appears to be a place designed to influence on-wiki actions.
you're failing to recognize the possibility of alternative explanations that place the whole thing in a much different light. That was a key mistake I made. You're making it too.
Well, that's a very valid possibilty. I would like to point out two critical differences though:
1. I'm not accusing you or anyone else of bad faith-- merely poor judgement. !! was suspected of actually trying to subvert it. The wpinvestigations-l sleuths are merely suspected of exhibiting poor judgment. Nobody is suspecting you of subversion, we're just suspecting you guys of inadvertantly causing more harm than good.
2. I'm not trying to ban anybody. I'm just saying-- administrators of this project obviously rendered judgments on your evidence-- we should be able to see those judgments, so we can better assess how to help those individuals better contribute to the project. Worst case scenario, they have to return to the community and ask if they are still trusted.
There were in-depth deliberations about [[User:!!]] that led to his blocking. Since that block was in error, we want to be able to look at the conversations that led up to his blocking, so we can see who all was at fault, where the system broke down, and how we can fix it.
This shouldn't be a controversial request, it should be a commonplace one. In every erroneous block, people go back over the discussions to see what went wrong. The only thing that's different in this case is that you guy took your deliberations off-wiki, and are not trying to prevent the community from reviewing what precisely went wrong. I realize that may feel like an invasion of privacy, since you guys thought the deliberations would be secret when you held them-- but sadly, that's your own fault for doing admin investigations in a secret venue.
It's noble of you to try to assure us that, if we could see the evidence, we would see that you are the only one at fault here. But surely you must understand, given the recent history, why we aren't going to be willing to take your word for what the evidence will and will not show.
Alec